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Kucinich Breaks Promise to Impeach: Is he a Fraud or was he Threatened?
Dennis Kucinich had many cheering last week with his pledge to introduce Articles of Impeachment for Bush- but he changed his mind and decided to wait for Conyers to do something!
Unbelievable! He's going to wait for Bush's personal savior to do something. Let us not forget that Conyers is the man who has squashed all investigations into the impeachable offenses- 2004 Election Fraud, Downing Street Memo, Illegal Wiretapping- all investigations headed by Conyers that have resulted in zero action.
So now Kucinich decides to break his promise to America and defer to the stallmaster? I guess it shouldn't surprise me, seeing as Kucinich also promised to launch a 9/11 investigation, stalling all last summer, saying he'd have the hearings in September... he never did.
So, the question remains: Is Kucinich a Fraud, willingly playing his part of bold talk and no action, or did they 'get to him'? We know the Bushies are basically mobsters, did somebody threaten Kucinich's wife or daughter? btw- his brother died mysteriously a few weeks ago, on the day that Kucinich first mentioned impeaching Bush- coincidence?
What are your thoughts on Kucinich's reversal?
ps- can anyone question him with a video cam, a la Are Change LA grilling Waxman - I want to see his excuses.
Unbelievable! He's going to wait for Bush's personal savior to do something. Let us not forget that Conyers is the man who has squashed all investigations into the impeachable offenses- 2004 Election Fraud, Downing Street Memo, Illegal Wiretapping- all investigations headed by Conyers that have resulted in zero action.
So now Kucinich decides to break his promise to America and defer to the stallmaster? I guess it shouldn't surprise me, seeing as Kucinich also promised to launch a 9/11 investigation, stalling all last summer, saying he'd have the hearings in September... he never did.
So, the question remains: Is Kucinich a Fraud, willingly playing his part of bold talk and no action, or did they 'get to him'? We know the Bushies are basically mobsters, did somebody threaten Kucinich's wife or daughter? btw- his brother died mysteriously a few weeks ago, on the day that Kucinich first mentioned impeaching Bush- coincidence?
What are your thoughts on Kucinich's reversal?
ps- can anyone question him with a video cam, a la Are Change LA grilling Waxman - I want to see his excuses.
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Check out this recent
Check out this recent interview with Conyers- He has NO INTENTION of Impeaching and he is such an arrogant bastard!
John Conyers: You know who's been in more impeachment hearings than anybody in the House or Senate?
Rob Kall: You?
John Conyers: Right.
Rob Kall: And you wrote a book on impeaching Bush, too.
John Conyers: A couple, yes. Well there must be some compelling reason that I'm not doing it right now.
Rob Kall: Pelosi, Pelosi keeps coming to mind.
John Conyers: How could she stop, well, she could stop me because actually it goes through a special committee on the House, but, Pelosi can't stop me from anything, really.
Rob Kall: Really?
John Conyers: Yeah.
Rob Kall: So it's you stopping you, nobody else?
John Conyers: Well I don't know whose ever stopped me before, I don't know why Pelosi's going to stop me now.
Rob Kall: You know people say it's too late, and it's not too late for Bush to start another war, appoint another Supreme Court justice if something happened, and here we are stuck with him during the worst economic crisis...
John Conyers: Let me just say this to you because there may be some other people that want to talk to me. Let me tell you this. If we started an impeachment hearing that didn't succeed, guess what would happen. They would say that he's being demonized, that Conyers always, they campaigned against the Democrats taking over last year, wait a minute, they campaigned against the Democrats saying two things, Rangel will raise taxes if the Democrats ran and Conyers would impeach Bush. Now to come in on January 28th after having been impressed by your logic, Rob, and saying we're going after both these guys at once and if it doesn't, and I really smile at this one, and if it doesn't work at least you did it and taught them a lesson. Well they would take that and that would bleed right into the election of 2008 sure as we're standing here.
Rob Kall: You've got in your committee stuck there held back Dennis Kucinich's bill.
John Conyers: So what?
Rob Kall: I asked Dennis about it and you know what he said, I asked him about people not acting because they're afraid of the reaction of the Republicans, and his reply was 'that's no way to run a democracy'.
John Conyers: Well I see Dennis Kucinich way more than you and I know a lot about what he's doing and why he's doing it. I know about my dear friend Bob Wexler from Florida and that's their right and their authority, but I'm the chairman.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/75296/#more
He must have been
He must have been threatened. Why would he want to make himself look like an idiot by backing out at the last minute. Did we ever find out what Perry Kucinich died from?
This is a perfect example of
This is a perfect example of a bad, corrupt politician..... I am sorry if my ignorance do not allow me to see more on this interview..... Politic is the art of make things possible.... Tbe way this person is acting "in any way is the way to run a democracy....." as DK said. Thanks german
Conyers need to go. He
Conyers need to go. He thinks we are stupid, but his answers show who really is mentally challenged.
I am shocked and
I am shocked and disappointed. Kucinich is the bravest and most morally correct person we have- by a long shot. This is terribly disappointing. Maybe the repugnicans got to him, threatened him with a ’small plane crash’ or similar.
Wow! They got to DK too. I bet he was given a “Wellstone” offer he couldn’t refuse. DK may have chosen to live and fight another day.
The Judiciary Committee doesn’t need more time. That is total BS. They just are fearful like so many others. Fearful of all the dirt coming out, fearful of losing their cozy way of life, fearful of any path but the path of least resistance, fearful of losing who knows what else. Fear is what runs DC these days.
Boy, I would love to have been a fly on the wall during the conversation in that room. After all, DK does need to protect his seat in the House of Reps. Perhaps some sweetheart deal was made??
Kucinich did not introduce
Kucinich did not introduce the new resolution against Bush on Monday. He told me that he had been to a meeting with Chairman John Conyers and members of the Judiciary Committee last week, and that he was encouraged that they would hold hearings soon. He was choosing, he said, to give them a few weeks before pushing forward. I'm much less encouraged than Dennis is that the committee will hold hearings that will amount to anything. Whether the hearings amount to anything, I think, will depend entirely on whether they use the I word. And I think a further push from Kucinich or anyone else could only help to make that happen.
At the same time, there are concerns that go unsaid that we should be aware of. What might lead the most courageous and principled member of Congress to hesitate in taking an incredibly popular step? His party's leadership is fiercely against it, but that's never seemed to stop him before. What's new, I think, is this: In five weeks Kucinich is up against a corporate funded and corporate media driven campaign to knock him out of his position, a campaign attacking his national efforts as being somehow in opposition to the needs of Clevelanders. (Try asking Clevelanders if they want impeachment, and then say that!) And, after having our backs for all these years, after being the first and sometimes only voice to speak for us in Washington, Dennis Kucinich is probably unsure whether we in turn are going to back him up. I don't know, and this is all speculation, but I'm guessing that if any sizable fraction of the 70 percent of us who think the nation is headed in the wrong direction under Bush and Cheney were to go make a contribution at http://kucinich.us we'd be seeing articles of impeachment on the floor of the House sooner rather than later.
Or maybe Dennis is right. Many times, I know, he has been right when I was wrong. Maybe Conyers will start moving on impeachment in the next couple of weeks. Rob Kall, editor of OpEdNews.com, tells me that he asked Conyers today about impeachment, and Conyers said "Impeachment is not off the table." Asked who was blocking it, Conyers told Kall it was not Pelosi or anyone else, it was just Conyers himself. Of course, Conyers has said both of those things for years, and they've meant nothing. But maybe that will change, and if it does, part of the credit has to go to the congressman who led the way.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/opedne_david_sw_080128_ro...
none of the excuses make
none of the excuses make sense. I think someone should approach Kucinich with video in hand and find out what is going on. If he believed something was going to happen, why didn't he tell everyone last week? There is clearly something fishy going on here.
I just read this on
I just read this on Democratic Underground
femrap Tue Jan-29-08 01:21 PM
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21. Betty Sutton, Rep. from Ohio, Updated at 10:49 PM
said that 'the rumor' is there will be Impeachment Hearings from Nov. 5 to Jan. 19...because there is nothing to do then.
Very, very disappointing to say the least.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=...
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Why does this seem likely
John Conyers:The State of
John Conyers:The State of Our Union
Last night we heard President George Bush give his final address to Congress on the State of the Union and really, we didn't hear much. Sure, we heard the usual platitudes about Iraq and the same empty call for bipartisan cooperation that he has repeated for the last seven years....
http://johnconyers.com/node/195
It would have been best to
It would have been best to start with impeachment of Cheney, anyway.
As for why Congressman Kucinich backed away from that intended measure, I don't think we know enough to speculate.
As for the question of whether, or not Kucinich is a fraud, in March, or April of 2003 I did a background check on him before I decided to support his bid for the presidency for the 2004 election. I teamed up with several other progressives where we were looking for anything we could learn about him, positive, or negative and we tested what we could find. I've been monitoring him since. I don't operate with blinders on my eyes. So, I can honestly say, he is not a fraud.
We don't know what goes on behind closed doors, where the cameras and microphones are not documenting what we see and hear on the House floor. I'm taking David Swanson's response to this topic under consideration.
As for John Conyers, I also believe that he needs to be replaced. This is not the first time Conyers has countered necessary efforts to uphold our best and most valuable laws of the Constitution and to hold accountable key persons in powerful positions for their involvement.
Let's not lose faith in Dennis Kucinich. He really is a man of integrity. If he really was a fraud, then his political enemies, particularly in the media, would have shown us last year to drive away his supporters. They found no dirt on him. For that reason, they settled for portraying him as a weirdo and picking on his physical traits.
It might be, that he is not presently in a position to tell us why he backed down. Such as, if the reasons David Swanson offered here, I can understand why he wouldn't say, "Sorry, people. My position is really vulnerable right now, so I've had to back off from this measure to save my seat in Congress and go to the next plan, which is to try to convince the Judiciary Committee to do the right thing.
Do you really think that
Do you really think that introducing articles of impeachment would make him vulnerable? I think it would have made him the #1 Presidential Candidate if he had done it a few months ago.
I no longer trust DK to do anything- he seems controlled, thus untrustworthy.
He filed articles of
He filed articles of impeachment against dickie last April, and it was opened again in November. Despite all the alternative info on it, very few people actually heard of it because the MSM blacked it out. When I was collecting petition signatures to get Dennis on the ballot in NY, (he's on and I'm voting for him Tuesday anyway), I got several signatures when people heard of that; they said he at least deserved to be on the ballot, but most hadn't heard of it.
I'm starting to wonder....in
I'm starting to wonder....in this video he claims Nancy is stopping the process when Conyers said that he was in charge. The are all talk and stalling WTH Why is he telling us what needs to be done? He is the one in Congress that decided not to start Impeachment of Bush.
Ralph Nader: "Things Are a
Ralph Nader: "Things Are a Lot Worse than We Thought!"
This could be what is keeping impeachment from moving forward.
Has Obama Scuttled
Has Obama Scuttled Impeachment?
Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - FreeMarketNews.com
Wondering why Congressman Kucinich has withdrawn his impeachment resolution against Cheney, and dropped out of impeachment in general? Wondering why the Los Angeles impeachment center has decided to liquidate itself and shut down? Wondering why impeachment meet ups across the US are folding? Wondering why so many left-liberal spokesmen are dropping the impeachment issue like a hot potato? All signs suggest that the demagogic needs of the Obama presidential campaign provide the answer. Impeachment is being sabotaged by left-wing Democrats now moving to support Obama so as to spare the messianic Illinois senator the political embarrassment of having to comment on a serious impeachment effort, which his craven rejection of political struggle makes a taboo. In effect, Obama's phobia against impeachment is even stronger than Hillary's. -Rense
http://www.rense.com/general80/sosob.htm
We can make use of the DC
We can make use of the DC toll-free numbers to call Dennis' Congressional office and ask him to introduce the Bush impeachment immediately. At the same time, we can also ask him to reopen the 9/11 investigation.
1-800-828-0498 M-F 9am-6pm EST
This is a better idea than
This is a better idea than asking Conyers. Asking about the 9/11 investigation is even better.
FreeMarketNews is full of
FreeMarketNews is full of garbage. Kucinich hasn't withdrawn his impeachment resolution against Cheney or dropped out of impeachment in general.
But he did promise to do it
But he did promise to do it before the SotU, then he pulled it- why?
vote here (;
http://peacecandidates.com/video/bush_on_wiretaps
We were set up by both
We were set up by both Kucinich and Ron Paul who both had to drop out to save their Congressional seat. sure. I think they were both running to keep up in the two party fold.
When did Ron Paul drop out?
When did Ron Paul drop out? Ron Paul only has 2 congressional opponents, a pro-war Republican and a Libertarian who doesn't even have a website.
Yesterday (Feb 8th) - and
Yesterday (Feb 8th) - and his excuse that "he needs to fight for his congressional seat" is a load of crap imo
Was he a fraud all along, or did they 'get to him' ? Why didn't he fight for a fair count in NH or Iowa ? Just proves that none of the career politicians can be trusted.
You're wrong. I read an
You're wrong. I read an article at yahoo that says Paul is just cutting some of his campaign staff but that he isn't dropping out.